tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post7418530514446682467..comments2024-03-29T02:21:43.791-07:00Comments on eLearning Technology: LMS and Social LearningTony Karrerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15408035995182843336noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post-53271913988066384672010-03-24T09:23:36.417-07:002010-03-24T09:23:36.417-07:00Saba Social is not even live yet, so before everyo...Saba Social is not even live yet, so before everyone jumps on the bandwagon, lets first see what it can do.Craighttp://www.elearninfo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post-37938814522114932112010-03-10T10:16:41.834-08:002010-03-10T10:16:41.834-08:00On an additional side not, just because a LMS vend...On an additional side not, just because a LMS vendor offers social media/social learning solutions does not mean, it is a great solution nor offers the full capacity/capabilities of it. <br>Having a blog/wiki/RSS feeds/app sharing is just the basics. And frankly, "reviews" while perceived as new, really isn't, nor is peer to peer communication/discussion. <br>Let's see some <b>Web 3.0</b>, content producers and taking emerging technology into social learning as the next step - and making it work. Then I'll be impressed.Craig Whttp://www.elearninfo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post-25974526204794581642010-03-10T10:12:33.130-08:002010-03-10T10:12:33.130-08:00I like the Topyx solution by Interactyx, which doe...I like the Topyx solution by Interactyx, which does some amazing stuff on the social media angle, thus social learning. Some of it, is new to the market, in terms of intertwining with Linkedin (as I recall).Craig Weisshttp://www.elearninfo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post-53310452894259476352010-01-20T22:33:05.072-08:002010-01-20T22:33:05.072-08:00Integration of social tool into learning managemen...Integration of social tool into <a href="http://www.sumtotalsystems.com/products/learning-management.html" rel="nofollow">learning management system</a> is the necessity of time. Cognizant of this fact, in 2009 Saba has introduced Saba Social; Plateau has created the Talent Gateway; and other vendors (SumTotal Systems, Cornerstone, Learn.com, Mzinga, and others) are also joining the bandwagonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post-9370992112688257332009-06-10T10:04:14.874-07:002009-06-10T10:04:14.874-07:00Tony,
Great insight. I am 100% in agreement. Th...Tony,<br /><br />Great insight. I am 100% in agreement. The goal of an LMS vendor needs to be interoperability and flexibilty. <br /><br />The problem is that in the purchasing phase, vendors (including myself), are often pressured to match features with the competition. If I say "we don't have that tool"... but you can add it... I become a second rate product in the eyes of many prospects. All things being equal, a client will take the tool with the most "X" on their comparision sheets.<br /><br />The other challenge that LMS purchases represent "the future" for many companies. They want a product that is cutting edge, which often means overlooking the immediate goals and challeges that are on their desk. <br /><br />As for the open source arguements, I'm still skeptical. I still believe that licensed software products will be stronger resources for most organizations in the long run.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post-48470016208599011902009-04-08T15:54:00.000-07:002009-04-08T15:54:00.000-07:00Hey Tony,I'm thinking all the LMS' (I use or have ...Hey Tony,<BR/><BR/>I'm thinking all the LMS' (I use or have used most) need to abandon the Packard Bell model of proprietariness (that appears to be a word -- wow!) and use what is available. There's been dialog elsewhere about the lack of need for "another social networking site," why would we think that social grouping for a class or semester would be desirable? <BR/><BR/>How 'bout we get the LMS to use Google and/or Facebook Connect in combination with the requirement to login (and while we're at it, get D2L to let me save my login and password)?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02175478301545842572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post-51584783716807635242009-04-05T05:38:00.000-07:002009-04-05T05:38:00.000-07:00Isn't it the case that many organizations don't wa...Isn't it the case that many organizations don't want to lose control by advocating users look outside the network for their learning and community solutions. Seems like we need a tool that allows companies to somehow aggregate access to or capture the flow of learners going to external sites for formal learning and community networking.Darrin Hayeshttp://learningforward.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post-14267391906568560142009-04-02T07:26:00.000-07:002009-04-02T07:26:00.000-07:00In some ways I question whether LMS providers real...In some ways I question whether LMS providers really "get" the interactivity they are providing. LMS providers seem to be so focussed on measurements, which can be kind of hard to measure when social learning principles that underpin educational uses of wikis, blogs etc are applied. I'm not that sure as I'm certainly a student studying social learning, rather than an expert, and I'd question whether social learning occurs around a "resource" or around what those in the group deem important given guidance and a subject area.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post-40745938798277618272009-04-02T01:22:00.000-07:002009-04-02T01:22:00.000-07:00Good points ... (though Mazinga really need to rem...Good points ... (though Mazinga really need to remove that apostrophe & make it "social media and learning for its own sake". <BR/><BR/>Otherwise, good points.Emmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07010801325216676755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post-17443073375150550052009-04-01T12:39:00.000-07:002009-04-01T12:39:00.000-07:00Hey Tony,Thanks for the reference. At the end of ...Hey Tony,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the reference. At the end of the day, what we're trying to do is provide flexibility to give learning organizations a path forward. While we think the ultimate right answer is a community model that includes formal learning, not everyone is there yet. Some people have to socialize informal learning approaches in the models they already have.<BR/><BR/>And even in a Community learning model, you may want to provide learning object-specific social media to provide places for people to discuss learning or network around courses they might be taking.<BR/><BR/>As to the Sharepoint thing, we're just not as enamored of it. For starters, we offer a competitive solution... ; ) But even absent that, their social networking is weak and they lack things like idea share which is important in terms of capturing emergent knowledge. The other big failing is that it doesn't let you bridge between internal customers (employees), external customers, or those in the extended network like partners and suppliers. We think these constituents will become increasingly blended in the coming years and already are to some extent. We have already designed our solution to accommodate multiple constituencies in ways Sharepoint can't and we're extending these in the coming months.<BR/><BR/>I also worry about giving up the tools. There is a reason that the fastest growing segment of the LMS space is hosted solutions. It's not just cost, it's because learning groups have more control over their vendors than they do over their IT groups. You yourself noted a few posts ago how learning professionals weren't even a part of the Wiki ownership question. What will happen when IT owns all the cool web 2.0 toys?<BR/><BR/>I could be wrong about the models we need to adopt, but in our client pool we have people who are ready to do extended enterprise communities with partners and suppliers, people who just want to experiment with social networking and blogs, and some who are just getting comfortable with the idea of rating courses. Sharepoint might work for some these folks, but for others I think it's going to be way too big a transition at the moment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post-58669050118984119832009-04-01T11:55:00.000-07:002009-04-01T11:55:00.000-07:00The reason why LMS vendors are adding more social ...The reason why LMS vendors are adding more social tools is because technology departments in high schools are asking them too. Technology departments HATE having to unblock wordpress, twitter, youtube, wikispaces, and other social tools and would rather have everything under one roof. To them, it's about convenience rather than understanding how Web 2.0 stuff works.Mike Hhttp://henricowarriors.org/hasleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post-14013014841488877302009-03-31T12:08:00.000-07:002009-03-31T12:08:00.000-07:00Add to the wordpress and media wiki sentence: open...Add to the wordpress and media wiki sentence: open source--Moodle for learner tracking and reporting.Jon Alecksonhttp://www.webcourseworks.com/blognoreply@blogger.com