tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post6014317451829174771..comments2024-03-28T08:36:29.053-07:00Comments on eLearning Technology: Learning Organizations, eLearning 2.0 and EdupunkTony Karrerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15408035995182843336noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post-88365107339818436432008-06-13T06:26:00.000-07:002008-06-13T06:26:00.000-07:00Jeffrey, do you think that if you exposed some of ...Jeffrey, do you think that if you exposed some of your learners to certain aspects of these tools (not as the tools themselves, but in terms of how they could help them) that they would adopt? Maybe you can do a blog post on this?Tony Karrerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15408035995182843336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post-43321139616554667892008-06-13T06:21:00.000-07:002008-06-13T06:21:00.000-07:00I wish I had this problem, Tony, both in my corpor...I wish I had this problem, Tony, both in my corporate as well as in my academic work. In general, my learners are not very Web 2.0--neither groups of them.<BR/><BR/>I love all the possibilities for learning out there, though am not quite sure where all these Web 2.0 savvy learners are (unless by this we mean YouTube alone).<BR/><BR/>I am starting to wonder if this issue has something to do with demographics and social population density?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22055982.post-89369813297175261952008-06-11T10:36:00.000-07:002008-06-11T10:36:00.000-07:00There is a place for every type of ideology in lea...There is a place for every type of ideology in learning. <BR/><BR/>The enemy of “edupunk” is not the “vultures of capitalism” (Janet Clarey). It is the lack of an alternative approach to bring “edupunk” into corporate demands for performance and results. Many supporters of “liberation learning” with Web 2.0 are romantics – I am one of them. I wrote in “3-Minute e-Learning, 2007, about “Learner Control” and the limiting problems of LMSs in e-Learning. We still have the same problem today and I predict will have the same problems with “Learner Control” in Enterprise 2.0 and Learning 2.0.<BR/><BR/>But Learning 2.0 or edupunk is not supplanting anything; it merely magnifies “Learner Control” to the extreme – now even more powerful with Web 2.0 tools.<BR/><BR/>This is a case of the blind leading the blind. The LMS vendors do what they do well – produce products. But ill-informed buyers – who have not changed their ideas of learning since 50 years ago – are the decision makers. So there will be more LMSs bought and LMSs will promise to delivery Learning 2.0, as requested by buyers.<BR/><BR/>How do you break the cycle? Incrementally, you, Downes, and other brilliant people and others are changing the landscape. I think we need to focus on make the Micro-Things in Social Learning the next big thing and insist on LMS vendors to think small while they create large scale solutions. http://vignettestraining.blogspot.com/2008/06/micro-things-in-social-learning-from.htmltesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08976515789787697863noreply@blogger.com